Talk:Anarchism

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Anarchism most certainly does not hold any notion of humans being "essentially good" or "essentially evil." Some anarchists might have such views, but it is unneccessary and not required to make any justification of anarchism. Most anarchists would likely discard such views as counter productive, unfalsifiable, and therefore a waste of time. Instead, they have been replaced in anarchism with notions of free association, consensus and mutual agreement.

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The section on Marxism and Anarchism is terrible. It ignores Marx's writings on the Paris Commune (which, by the way, happened in 1871 not 1848) were Marx calls for the state to be "smashed." Bakunin's letter, if indeed written in 1872, is just plain wrong about what Marx thought about the state (although right about what most post-Marx Marxists thought about it). Also (and this is a point that I must repeat to my Anarchist friends ad nauseam): Marx does NOT think that class is the only relevant social division. His writings on the American Civil War and on the man/woman relationship contradict this. Most people are content to take the bullshit they read in some intro book about Marxism for what Marx actually said: it turns out, most of it is dead wrong. As such, the common misunderstandings have no place in what is supposed to be an informative and accurate article.--Oldmanhegel 23:46, 22 September 2007 (PDT)

Then go ahead and change it... --Centerfielder 13:19, 23 September 2007 (PDT)


It'd be good to add a section on anarchist economic visions, starting with Proudhon's mutualism, a gift economy, market socialism, and finishing up with participatory economics.

As far as anarchist political visions, it might be nice to talk about federated community assemblies, situations where such practices have taken place, and maybe a bit about the relatively new proposal called "parpolity."

(In terms of political visions, we should also include the anarchist critique of representative government and the state's police power.) -- Liberaltarian 06:58, 7 July 2006 (PDT)

Anarchism and Marxism

Most early anarchists considered class one of the most harmful hierarchies, if not the most harmful hierarchy. Syndicalists, among others, still hold to this view. Anarchists differ from Marxists, Fabians, Social Democrats, and other state socialists because anarchists do not believe state power (or other institutionalized violence) can eliminate class hierarchies; it can only strengthen them. Some call it the 'One Ring.' Mike Erwin 10:22, 14 November 2006 (PST)

Anarchism and Religion

This overemphasizes athiesm. William Greene, Leo Tolstoy, Dorothy Day, Thomas Hagerty were important Christian anarchists. The Berrigans are Christian anarchists and Starhawk is a pagan anarchist. J.R.R. Tolkien, though an extremely conservative monarchist, was sympathetic to anarchism (as well as anti-racism, anti-caputalism, and environmentalism), and was a Christian. Mike Erwin 10:22, 14 November 2006 (PST)

Violence

IIRC, a populist assassinated the Tsar, a registered Republican assassinated McKinley, and a Serbian nationalist assassated the Archduke. A state which does not enforce laws, collect taxes, etc. is no state, and to enforce laws, collect taxes, etc. requires the threat of violence, anarchists consider statism an inherently violent ideology. The FBI is currently targetting the ELF (and monitoring Food not Bombs, peace groups, labor unions, etc.) as an 'international terrorist organization.' Obviously the FBI is the violent organization; it kills, arrests, pain-complies, stress-interrogates, etc. people. Mike Erwin 10:22, 14 November 2006 (PST)

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