User talk:Lawnorder

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Citation

Hi, just a polite request -- when you copy-paste material from another page at least cite the url in the edit summary so that someone else can go back and add proper-citition later in good-faith.

Here's why it's important. I know it seems trivial to most folks, but copying something off someone else's website and publishing it somewhere else is copyright infringement, compounded by the unauthorized re-liscensing by submitting material here (as noted at the bottom of each submission page). Additionally, not attributing the materials' source in a way that makes it appear as though you are claiming credit of your own (let's say like having your by-line in the submission history) is at least fraud and could be construed as plagiarism. I'm not making this claim, since in this case it's clear that MoveOn wrote this, and not you.

Thanks,

DRolfe 17:37, 9 Aug 2005 (PDT)

I direct you to the 1st line on the page you mentioned I had no attribution: Who: Moveon.org

While there, please scroll down and see that the URL you requested is already there right under "please let us know you are calling http://civic.moveon.org/tomlinson/?id=5869-4208210-2IOH0gJKMYaHEEffDrEMWQ&t=7160&t=7838

DRolfe 19:02, 9 Aug 2005 (PDT) oh - and this URL, if you even looked at it, doesn't display the text of the email.

at least read the pages before you spout sanctimonius nonsense about them.

DRolfe 19:03, 9 Aug 2005 (PDT) - At least click on the links you are dissing me for.

What I'm doing here is a favor to Moveon and other Dem organizations, by telling kossacks about them, as they requested in the piece I copied. I doubt they will sue me or Kos for that.

DRolfe 18:40, 9 Aug 2005 (PDT) Yeah, I read it. That's why I said you weren't a plagiarist. Re-publishing people's email isn't lawful unless they give you permission. When McDermont, for example, asks you to "email this to your friends" he's not saying "republish this forever on a webpage with revision control". If that was his, or MoveOn's goal it would say in each message "please post this in your wikis." I tried to be polite. Stop being childish, it's infringement when you aren't given license to republish; nowhere in the email that you pasted whole does it say you have permission to republish. I'm not trying to be pedantic, I'm trying to be lawful, regardless of the likelihood that MoveOn is going to sue this site, or you personally. So, now that we are flaming eachother: QUOTE from the submission page that you ignored:

Please note that all contributions to dKosopedia are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License (see dKosopedia:Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!

If the Freep can get sued for sloppy users, so can we. Thanks again.

Fine! Delete it or do whathever. I don't care.

Now you inherited the action items list. I won't be doing it anymore. I'll direct all requests for inclusion to you. Have fun!

DRolfe 19:01, 9 Aug 2005 (PDT) - It's your diary, I'm really quite indifferent. A text search shows a couple other sites that did use proper citation:

http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/2013.php

http://forums.lycaeum.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=001287

Anyhow, I'm done with this as there is really no debate here. The law is the law and I am not its enforcer; I only have a personal, ethical obligation to the projects I take part in -- I'm acting inline with that imperative. I've raised the issue and made a tiny request, now do whatever you like.

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